Just the Tip, know the diffence, Simplifying Cigars 109

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00:00 Gary Every time every time it's like it's like making a wish with a genie if you're not like super specific It will backfire Five four three Hello and welcome everyone back to another wonderful episode of smoking underground My name is Devin and I am joined by the amazing Gary and the wonderful bestest producer ever John What's up, Gary and John? I just gonna go the sky. Otherwise, it's just a normal week Yeah, right you guys have done this before right like It's my second day job I can tell I can tell today we're gonna talk about tips of cigars not the front end but the back end that you pull from and The different styles and I usually push on the back end That's gonna have to be cut out No, it's fine So we're just gonna get into a little bit of elaboration on some of the specifics of it just a little bit Gary's probably the expert when it comes to that I wanted to start out the the show with what we're smoking today and it's a tattawaha and what's the name of it Gary?

01:32 *Devin * the tattawaha of Ina 6 the very cool the very cool blue Made by tattawaha tattawaha by Pete Johnson, of course Pete Johnson being in Pete Johnson You'll know him when you hear the my father type cigars. He is basically in bed with Jose Garcia and Jaime Garcia and all that bunch right there He literally got those guys off the ground He is he's basically the the father to those guys right there to get those lifted off the ground of my father's cigars Didn't have a pot to pee in till when they come over from from Cuba over there and next thing, you know He started rolling for Pete and then Pete said hey, you know, let's make something here, right? Yeah Crowho 99 rapper, of course grown Nicaragua farms by the Garcia family and It it is a it's now to me This is one of the best he's made That's just me though. Okay so I You know, I smoked it last week. I had some some stuff I had to do last week when it smoked it I was anyway, but but yeah and Thoroughly enjoy Devin you're gonna like this one brother

02:54 Gary so far everything about it like the taste of it on the tip, which is a rounded tip and The look of it the the toast of it was immaculate and now it's just this classic and John

03:08 *Devin * What's the price point on this guy? Yes. Oh I don't know if I have my sheet with in front of me. I do It is not a bad price. No, not at all for the smoke it is This is a

03:26 Gary It's 1199 the title way title. Why hey Havana Thank you 1199 for this price. This is a this is an excellent everyday smoke. I go. Yeah. Oh, yes Yes, it is Yeah, and and now for your review sire death What do you think of the band there buddy it is delightfully simple I love the Almost red white and blue kind of feel to it It doesn't it doesn't strike you as an American coloration But it but it does have red white and blue and a little bit of light silver on it But you've got that strong red and white tata. Wahey with the Florida lease symbol on it and then you've got the Veracoo blue band with silver on it and They go really well together you take a look at it. I mean, it's it's pretty amazing I think you'll like how simple and the blue everything is subtle. It's a it's a good simple But it speaks a lot kind of band. Yeah, very quality band too. Yeah Yeah, it's not moving around on me, which is good I mean you can feel where just a little bit of tension will loosen it and you can move it but I know this is kind of getting into the weeds of Bands but a super loose band that as soon as you touch moves is disappointing and on the complete reverse opposite a band that's so tight that it rips your cigar apart when you take it off Yeah, yeah There is an art to not only the bands But the the tension on the bands and to preface all that nonsense about bands today I am drinking founders 11th anniversary blend a buddy of mine just got a For me didn't you have that before? Haven't hadn't you had that? No. No, I just got this bottle the other day. I Could have sworn the store had it. Yeah, I could have sworn you had that and it's up No, no, I just got this one. He went there this weekend and bought me a bottle. I've got it right here Have you had it yet? Yes I have I had a sip yesterday with it this bottle by the way, it even has a date on it was bottled April 18th 2023 April 18th 2020 about that. Yeah

05:38 *Devin * Fancy glass going on there for everybody. He's got his pinky in the air. That's right. Yeah, that's right It's a hundred proof 50% alcohol by volume It's got a nice bite on the middle end and smooth all the way everywhere else What are you gonna do about that lime hanging on the side right there in the umbrella? Come out there? Well, you know, I thought it might rain today so I figured I'd bring it out

06:03 Gary Okay Yeah But let's let's get into the main subject of what we're talking about here and that is the The tips of cigars and how they cap them Gary. I think you're pretty much an expert on The idea of capping. Do you know why they cap the? Ironicism of capping when it comes to a cigar

06:23 *Devin * Of course the cigar is a very common thing Of capping when it comes to a cigar, of course the cigar is all natural, right? Right. There is no impurities There's no it's nothing like a cigarette So what happens is that the cigar itself has to be it has to be humidified, right? so one of the things that uh that the torsadors or the rovers do of course is uh, they'll you know, they'll they'll take the the uh, The filler and then they'll bind it they'll put a binder which is a thick leaf and they'll bind all that together Once they do that, they'll box it once they box it Of course, uh, they'll pop it back out after a certain amount of time and it'll let it mold its shape Once it's molded its shape and it's come to that standard particular shape, whatever it may be Then they'll stick a wrapper on it. Once the wrapper goes on there the wrapper goes on wet Okay, you'll see them spray it a little bit made it make make it elasticize just a little bit stretch it out make it make it Very pliable if you will right and once that cigar is rolled up it's twisted on the end right there and then it's cut off Once that's done, of course, there's going to be a cap Uh that goes on the very tip right there and that cap basically keeps all that wrapper together For when that wrapper dries out if you will or dries to its minimal stage right there It's not going to come unravel the cap literally keeps it intact And that's the that's the purpose of the cap the thicker the cap The better the wrapper is going to be and the more solid the wrapper is going to be as far as the wrapping goes Uh, the standard wrap of if you will or standard cap on a cigar is going to have three caps And you'll notice it it's going to be like a crown And it goes in layers on the side there there and when it's done Jose garcia is probably one of the best i've ever seen do it And he can just about line those up like a freaking layered cake Yeah If you see three caps, which is standard great. That's fantastic two caps You might want to just sort of Yeah, you know, I mean it's okay, but you're getting the basic, you know I'll speak a little john language here. You're going to get the basic model. You're not going to get any stain You know, you're going to have to roll down the windows

08:43 Gary Right and I on this tatawahe you can see all three of them And uh, I can tell you a little rule of thumb that I like to use gary is If you're going to cut your cigar and we'll do an episode on different cutting styles later um you Don't want to cut Past the the bands very good. You want to stay within those bands? That's going to be your best cut now. I always do a wide mouth punch So that's not really a problem But i've seen people cut off the band right there like the caps cut them right off and i'm like You just you just mess that up

09:19 *Devin * Yeah, yeah And that's very liable for when they they start obviously when the tip starts get a little wet of it right there every goes Everything's gonna start coming a little Come come apart a little bit undone right, you know unravel So that's that's your that's your uh thing of it right there and unfortunately You know, you got people out there that that will do that, you know, and that's to each his own, you know Uh, but that's what the caps are made for is to wear that first cap basically Is to be cut off where you can smoke it and then you can Enjoy the rest of the cigar without any harm. No foul and

09:58 Gary The thing coming apart majority of the time, right? I wanted to start the best with first and the best with first instead of the best for last and the most interesting one I wanted to talk about is The flathead not the flathead. I'm sorry the um, oh my gosh the chisel. Thank you I was seeing it in my head the chisel because I've had it a few times, but i've never done what you guys told me to do with it And I need to go do that now there is a special technique that gary and john have Told me about where you can literally take the chisel and just squeeze it and pop it open And yeah That is a technique I have yet to try but I have heard it is an amazing way to open that as well as To kind of continue with the amazingness of the chisel Is I think you guys told me you can take a punch and hit the side of it instead of the back of it that faces you

10:56 *Devin * Yeah, you can do both if you want to do you can punch the top of it You can punch the bottom and top of it you can Or you can punch all the way through it if you want to You know, it's it's entirely up to you But yeah, if you want to just hit your palate right there Just punch the top of it right there and then you know start drawing off of it Okay, kind of like a glory hole on on a torpedo Devin just loves that term. Oh my gosh Uh Yeah, that's it Uh the gh model if you will there's uh, there's a lot of way to do a chisel, you know, and uh in the particular chisel Model was created by uh, lito gomez, which is the of la florida, benacana And he created the chisel cigar and everybody kind of fell in love with it because it it fits real well in the jaw It's real well in the in a wedge in there if you will in the back of the jaw

11:53 Gary Would you say that chisel is a um Keep it in your mouth kind of like people who like to hold it in their mouth longer because i'm not a person that if you will Yeah, it holds it in his mouth and does stuff because I just can't stand the smoke going straight up my nose because it's so close

12:08 John but I would say no to your question there. I don't think because it's Somebody who holds it in their mouth It becomes the cigar becomes moist. See how music works to annoy everybody Becomes moist in that and the chisel doesn't have a lot of end to it to Handle the moisture Right. Yeah

12:31 *Devin * Okay, although it is durable, but uh, yeah i'm with john there. I I wouldn't think that that would be a A holding factor in your mouth there. I wouldn't think so It's just I think it's just more comfortable because it's it's just a a real nice shape, you know And it's different on top of that, right?

12:49 Gary Yeah, it's a lot different you don't see enough chisels i'll be honest with you you really just don't see enough chisels No, I think uh, I think i think lino had that Copyrighted there. I believe a lot with the word leharo. Yeah, I was thinking that might be uh, I mean how many cigars do you on average see that are chiseled off the top of my head?

13:08 John I can't even remember the name of the cigar. I can only think of one that I remember seeing in the humidor Yeah, me either buddy well the chisel the Chapter one and two but they're all lfd. They're all lfd The chisel format is a wedge-shaped cap on the end of a cigar that resembles the blade of a chisel tool It was trademarked by la florida minicana and is believed to be the first cigar shape ever to receive a trademark

13:35 *Devin * That's it. If you want to use it you got to pay him Yeah, and that's lito gomez when I was talking about yeah, he owns lfd a former jeweler maker. How about that? You would think he would be a You would think he would be you know in the cigar market for years being looking at him and everything and no he come

13:54 John He came from a diamond industry I said I was hearing an interview from somebody else. I'm gonna try to pull some strings to get him on the show Oh sweet, because we have one of his cigars in our pack this month but He just comes from a Nothing cigar related in his back right and he just woke up one morning and said I want to make cigars

14:17 Gary Okay, you know that's an easy thing, you know you get on amazon you buy your cigar making kit and Yeah And off you go, you know it comes with the tobacco seeds and everything That's right. You know go to youtube learn how to roll it and move on right? Yeah, I did you know what's funny about that chisel is It baffles me that you say He's got the copyright on like how the hell do you copyright a chisel or a trademark? A trademark a a style like that, but I thought about it and I went well one thing you said He's a jeweler and then on top of that, you know Because of his level of precision He specifically designed Absolutely the way it looks and patterns to the point where he could graph that thing out on a piece of paper

15:06 *Devin * Yeah, yeah, probably so now. I think that's the only way you could possibly do it He also trademarked a term lejero is a common term now throughout the whole board uh through crop raising in tobacco, which is Lejero, of course in spanish means light but it but in this particular case, it's the leaf closest to the sun So it's the thickest leaf basically out there on the very top of the plant other than the mediotempo Which is the big flower that comes on top which is right So anyway, yeah, and he copyrighted that so nobody can use lejero if you do Then you have to talk to him about it blah blah blah

15:46 Gary I wanted to move on to I would say the most iconic one, which would be the torpedo torpedo Lord of mercy torpedo tip. That's what she said

15:57 *Devin * You know tip man. Those things are those things are Uh, yeah, they've been around for a long long time It's been around for a long long time Yeah, one of the first cigars I ever smoked the torpedo tip started off with the uh with perfecto the perfecto was pointed at both ends You know, it's uh, it looks like one end is the other end You can't tell the difference between the ends unless you have You know ring band on one side one end and you cut it however you like Yeah, it normally takes an advanced if not master roller to do a perfecto or anything with a shape of any kind Right, you know Because the tobacco has to be you know, uh interlaced very very neatly and of course appropriately when it comes to that. So yeah That's the torpedo shape, you know, you just slice one end of it and then the other end is pointed Uh being a torpedo is a lot different than what they call a pyramid The pyramid basically goes from wide to thin so it's like a pyramid it goes from fat to thin So from the foot it's fat and then goes to the tip which is sort of thinner, right? So it may if the the foot of it may be a 56 and as you go up it goes 55 And then 54 and then blah blah blah, you know up to the very point like a torpedo point Certainly the torpedo is sort of uh the torpedo and the belacoso They're basically about the same they they have the same basically the same diameter But their uh torpedo is is normally longer Um, the belacoso is a torpedo, but it's short It's just a it's just a short torpedo is basically all the belacoso is same type tip You know some sharp tip, you know pointed Uh, but the torpedo is just a little bit maybe about an inch longer inch and a half

17:51 Gary I always look at a belacoso as the robusto toro. Oh good job. Yeah, I like that or the Reverso torpedo torpedo right? I knew what you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. That's cool terminology. I like that. Yeah Yeah No, I better trademark that before lito grabs it right? Absolutely. You should Yeah, right go ahead and just make the web buy the website domain and then they'll come asking for it Ah You knew how many website domains I had or oh i'm telling you man I started buying them up and I can't stop now I have to I have to literally look at my list and go which one of these do you really need?

18:29 *Devin * To hold is that right? Yeah. Wow, man

18:32 Gary On that note on a completely separate note. I have an old programmer friend of mine. He probably I'm telling you he's probably got thousands of them. He'll buy them specifically so other people can't have them

18:43 John Wow. Yeah I used to do that. I bought one for a local car dealer here when they made me mad because I couldn't believe they didn't own it Um, I heard changes on a radio station. So I bought all the terms And you know, you can make a buck or two doing that

18:59 *Devin * How about that? That's right. I mean I knew that but I didn't know you could do it like that. That's pretty neat I wish I could have bought uh Dot com back in the day before before he was in office. Yeah, they'd be making millions You probably get you probably get 10 bucks off

19:18 John calm, right now Anyway, that's gonna get cut Um, if there's an abrupt cut that you guys just went through That's in the shadow episode that those are the shadow episodes

19:34 Gary Yeah, yeah, it's not on our list, but I don't know anything about it and i've never seen one but Gary, do you know anything about the honeycomb?

19:44 *Devin * tip The honeycomb tip i'm gonna be honest with you. I do not I I don't know. I I don't uh, the honeycomb tip now I probably will if I saw it and say oh, okay

19:57 Gary That's uh, that's unique but um, it looks like it looks like a like a a hair bun sticking straight up out And then like wrapped really tight. It looks almost like a pigtail but one that's easier to grab and twist off

20:12 *Devin * Oh, okay. All right. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, I've been those honeycombs too, but that's yeah Yeah, okay. Cool. Yeah, and that's that's basically what they're made for so where you can just grab it and Uh part of the term grab and snatch, you know, uh and just and pop off You know, right but uh, but yeah, you know, that's and that's that's very Convenient between that in the uh in the pigtail too man. That's nice

20:41 Gary There ain't nothing wrong with that That was the other one I was going to mention was pigtail because I have found I actually really like those even though i'll twist it and pop it off. I'll sometimes use my punch on it But yeah, there are great great scenarios where I know i'm traveling or something like that and i'm going well crap I've all i've got is my lighter I'm gonna go for a pigtail Just so I know If I need to or I guess say I don't need to I don't need to cut it

21:11 *Devin * I literally just can snap it off and start smoking it Yeah, and the pigtail if if nobody's not familiar with that or whatever it may be it looks like To me, it looks like a little piled up dog turd on the uh, it's a man bun on a cigar It is there you go. It is it is You're right, man Yeah, yeah, where you just grab that thing just pop it off and pinch it off and then you're ready to go You know, it's almost like a punch if you will

21:38 John Um that does that yeah, and it's very convenient It's one of the reasons or one of the things I like about Christoph's one of my favorite cigars and it's one of the things I like about them is because most of their cigars contain a pigtail And while I normally cut it off Because I just prefer a v-cut it's always nice to I usually have a Christoph with me in case

22:03 *Devin * I forget my cutter or something Christoph's they did great and I think glenn case who's the owner of Christoph? Uh glenn case wanted I think he wanted everybody to be in a situation where they could smoke at any time with a light Right, you know they could take this thing out of the pack Like it popped the end off of it and roll and he was all about that He's all about no excuse not to smoke, you know, and you ain't gonna bite the tip Just go ahead and pull it off and then you know roll with it

22:34 John You know, we'll talk about it more because we've got a Christoph in this upcoming pack, too I just think they look very rustic and the big pigtail and the way they're packaged in that that's that traditional

22:47 *Devin * Cigar smoke smoking to me. It's yeah Feels like i'm in the 1800s and I agree, you know i'm in deadwood Talking to swearington. Yeah. Yeah almost a speakeasy type cigar, you know, yeah

23:03 Gary Yeah, because there's an advantage to being able to not have to cut the cigar and just have a lighter um now I will have a critique of the pigtail that there's a lot of times when i'm and you can't see this but You take it and you have to twist it obviously towards the tension until it pops off But you get i'm not going to say it's lower quality because I think it's not necessarily upper lower quality cigars It rips off more Of the cap area because of the way it's designed and it just makes me think What if you could just reinforce? That area. I don't know like kind of like a cap but just kind of like a nice a nice tie Just one thing around there that keeps it from ripping off like that Abruptly in a bad way because i've had that happen and it's really annoying I literally have to get a cutter out and just cut it right off

23:54 *Devin * Right, right. Yeah, I think that has to do with something to to the uh To the thick because christoph has a good thick cap on it. Anyway, you know, right in in order to rip it off Ripping it off or pinching it off You almost get those veins with that, you know, and you're like gosh almighty and what happens is if a vein hangs Or if it sticks on the side of the cap right there and you're peeling it gosh, you know Now you got half the dang cap that's coming off and you're like crap. Dang it didn't want that

24:25 Gary Well to accent that even more i've tried another way I carry this little blade with me at all times, which most people do i'll just say it and if you don't you should Um You take your knife and you kind of put it right under the cap and you just kind of rotate real quick and just kind of You go pop it off now I found that I like that method but at the same time the inherent problem with it is is The hole that you form is drastically smaller because you're hitting it right at the root Whereas with a normal pigtail you spin it and it pops off a certain amount So i've gotten way too technical with this gary with pigtails And that i've figured out the pressure to push into it a little bit kind of put your fingernails in it and get it And then you kind of support it and it's a it's a whole process with your hand. It made me think of Uh pipe tobacco packing and stuff like it's very detailed to get that pigtail off properly without ripping anything with the perfect size

25:21 *Devin * Hole everything right right. Yeah, I have to agree with you on that Yeah, there's oftentimes i'll take my pocket knife out Like you say just you know, just just go around the the edge of the cap right there and then just let Just peel the cap off of that You know just ease it around there. Don't you know, you don't slice it like you would a you know, a loaf of bread or anything Yeah, but you would just you know, like you say just the edge and around the ease around the edge of it right there And it popped that cap off then after that you're ready to roll

25:53 Gary well What I recommend for people especially since we're talking about cigar tips and everything is we have a link to it On smoking underground.com and it's I I call it the cigar pen. It's not called that but it's it's a very nice tool That's got two different size punches on it It's got a spear and it's got a fork all built in one And it you know, it's the size of a pen a little bit thicker than a pen And I always keep it in my pocket. Yeah, I have it with me at all times. Everybody knows If you need something like that come up to Devin because he's got one on him and that's what I would recommend even before having like a zykar v cutter or You know another one of the small keychain punches or any other kind of cutter. This pen is perfect I love this thing. I keep it with me all the time. It's literally in my pocket for any pair of pants I always have it in there

26:47 John I've gotten so many questions or People asking for those in the last couple of weeks really and just keep sending them to our website because

26:56 Gary For some reason the store doesn't stock them. Yeah, I highly recommend it. They're about The average one's about 20 bucks Now you can get simpler ones that are just the spear and one punch on them with no fork You can find some that look like bamboo shoots. You can find some that are even more elaborate There's even one out there with a a pin clip on the side of it you can go super expensive But the average one i'm seeing is about 20 bucks

27:25 *Devin * You may catch it on sale for 15, but about 20 is what you're looking at. That's a good price on that too It is for what it does

27:33 SPEAKER_02 Yeah

27:34 Gary Yeah, that's a good price on that and because of that it's the wide mouth punch I have fallen in love with it over a guillotine cut on any cigar because to me It's like a guillotine cut but I get to keep the cap

27:48 *Devin * Yeah a little bit more intact Would you say that's about a 10 millimeter punch?

27:53 Gary On that or is that a nine? Yeah, 10 is about right. I mean it's a big oh, yeah, that's a 10. Yeah, that's definitely a 10 And then they probably if they probably got a six millimeter on the other side of the tool And oh that's neat. I just I just go with it And now what I do is I stick the hole because you unwind it And then you I put the whole thing in I don't just hit the cap I go straight into the actual tobacco to kind of get a little bit more breathing room inside of there And then yeah, you don't just pull it out You kind of slightly pull and then you twist it at about a 30 degree angle And it pops the cap out with it and you're done and you'll get good at it I mean, it's it's just a little bit of practice and literally it'll only take you about two or three times. You've got it

28:36 *Devin * Oh, I can't remember his name. Anyway from zycar He and I sat down he come by the uh, He was the he was the original owner of his iCar of accessories And he and I we went back in the back of the lounge back there and we were talking I told him I said man you need to make a a particular um punch with a tiger cut on it and uh, And I feel that that that right there would grip just a little bit more of that cap right there and actually keep it intact Uh, because if you're not careful with that punch unlike yours, which is sharp If you get a dull dull punch what that thing's gonna do this is gonna pop that cap And and next thing you know, you gotta you know, you got a liberty bell crack, you know, so now what's a tiger? What's what's that? Uh tigers just where it's uh serrated. It's got a little serrated edge on it. Is that like the shirkin? Yeah, well it's not necessarily shirkin, but if you will I hadn't got my pocket knife on me But you you ever seen a pocket knife with the with the straight? Well like a like a steak knife Okay Like knives got serrated edges on it, you know And that's that's that's what I was talking about and uh the tiger the tiger tooth is is like it's it's It's jagged but it's not uh uniform. It's got a little jag to it and then it's then it may have a little A little spike in between that and it's jagged and a little spike jagged What's the advantage of that? Uh to me, it's it's grabbing the tobacco and when you start cutting into it It literally grabs that tobacco and does not you know and does not let it split it literally cuts the tobacco cleanly instead of the tobacco being because Just uh, and this this this is just a pet peeve of mine And I and i'm sorry. I don't want to offend anybody But there are so many people out there that will lick the end of their cigar Then they will take their yes, then they'll take their punch And then they'll take their punch and then they'll go into the end of it And and it softens the tobacco up to where the punch can literally get You know the punch can get in there even if it's dull it can literally You know puncture that end right there to where you can pull it back out Drives me nuts drives me batty, but you know, that's just that's uh pet peeves all is there

31:09 Gary You've heard us do psa's constantly and i'm gonna do another one right now Don't lick something and then use somebody else's cutter and i'll be honest with you Unless you know the person like gary or my buddy josh or something like that Don't use random people's cutters because you don't know what they're doing with that. Oh, I know Lord you just go get one go find one the shop ones are usually clean If they're not just take some hand sanitizer all the shops got hand sanitizer now Squirt it on there clean it off a little bit dry it off. Let it sit boom cut it done Don't don't take the chance. I'm not saying like, you know fear getting sick, but just

31:47 *Devin * People are disgusting That can be yeah, and john knows which one i'm thinking of right now about that right there I think he does at least you know, he hasn't well he just comes in and buys a bundle now and uh leaves So that's it does he okay boy He used to deep throat that thing wet that thing all the way from tip To and then put that thing down the cutter and cut that thing and got he almost would put it in his mouth And close his mouth and just make sure the whole thing was soaked. Yeah, that's true It's actually a talent. It really is. Yeah

32:19 John Yeah, some people pay a lot of money for that in vegas It sounds like an only fans page Now there's an only fans page your cigars and Deep throat cigars.com. Oh roll of quarters ain't got nothing on that brother. Oh good lord. Oh, well Hey, you know what you know what time it is Well, I was gonna jump back when you guys were on your serrated cutters I don't know if we have them, but we've got a whole new selection of lotus Oh, those are nice, too Uh lotus does the jaws cutter, which is a serrated cutter and it's a hell of a cutter to use

33:04 *Devin * If we don't have them in the shop they will be on the website available By the time Smoking underground.com by the time this episode airs, right? Nice. Nice. Cool. Good. Good deal, dude Nice. Yeah, I love this rated cutter. I love that's rated cutter, man

33:26 Gary If you like what you're listening to right now, uh, remember to like share subscribe and the biggest thing you can do is share it Share it around tell somebody, you know You're sitting at the cigar shop. You're taking a nice drink and you got a good cigar and you're like, you know, I really enjoy

33:41 *Devin * I mean even if you don't really enjoy you just partially enjoy our show. Let somebody know they may really enjoy it Right, right and right right hit that button send it out Yeah, and uh, and of course, uh, I think the only is it the only other the only other uh Tip where I think we're we're We're missing here. I guess it's just the regular tip, right? Yeah the round and flat the pretty standard stuff round and flat Yeah, yeah

34:09 John Known as the parejo parejo tip or the parejo cigar straight the regular talk about flat heads We didn't time me there's a whole bunch of other tips that we just want to go over the If you want to dive deep Join us in a year. We'll be getting deeper into stuff. Yeah, that is definitely what she said Let's go deeper. I'm almost sending. I'm thinking

34:33 Gary Uh mc hammer. Oh lord And uh this this episode by the way is sponsored by smoking underground gear which you can find at Um our website you can find the links to all that where we got shirts and cups and even socks Which I thought was kind of weird but and we do have a we do have a barbecue apron So while you're out there grilling you can be pimping your smoking underground wear. I will be getting one of those I know right. I gotta say our logo Compared to our last one which john you did a decent job, but our new one's better like way better uh to the point where You kind of want to rip that one a little bit it's it's a nice logo I would say about that

35:15 John Yeah, we'll be having more stuff coming out with that on it available through the website. We're just certainly We're just working with a partner right now to get that stuff out and uh, this is just a fill in right now

35:27 Gary Sweet. Hey, what do you think? What do you think that cigar there day man? I'm telling you I would I would purchase a whole box of these things just to have them as daily smokes

35:37 *Devin * I would too. I would too brother goes with this chattanooga whiskey beautifully Does it really good? Yeah good

35:44 John That's good to hear. I just found you have to take it a little bit easy I smoked mine a little bit too fast and boy I felt it

35:52 Gary Yeah Yeah That's that's another psa is is especially for me because i'm a fast smoker Don't hotbox your cigar don't get to the point where it's over hot and everything you're pulling out of it's hot You gotta slow down to really take in the flavors because these guys um spent Decades hundreds of years, you know the the tobacco industry and cigars Perfecting it getting it right. Uh, we're gonna have a whole episode like from from, you know Seed to shop, you know stuff like that from the ground all the way to your hand And they have tailored these things they fermented the tobacco. They've done all this stuff to make it perfect and If you hotbox the thing you overheat it you over burn it You're gonna get just nicotine not the flavor that's inherently built into the tobacco

36:42 *Devin * Correct, correct. Yeah in yeah, and and that's the bad part about it because man You do not want to burn your oils inside your cigar You do not want to do that, right when you do that, of course Everything starts turning better um, and Uh, not only that you have what they call tunneling and tunneling is a tunneling is a pain Because you're wondering your cigar might have You might have a toro which is about six six and a half inches. Whatever it may be and then all of a sudden You're you've gotten about two inches maybe an inch and a half down, but you can't you almost can't hold it Right. It's so hot Yeah, that's because that stupid thing is going all the way down on the inside there and where you normally have like a um Almost like a double diamond type burn on the cigar itself where it's pointed up top well inside it's doing the same thing But now it's way deeper now, you know Yeah, and that man that gets old after one time and purging that's almost a

37:47 Gary Uh, you almost you almost can't get the flavor back after you do that Well, you're supposed to do a purge about halfway through and I recommend you always do it You mostly you don't normally have cedar with you sometimes but I would recommend you always do a purge with cedar And then like the tool I was talking about it's got a fork on the end I'll be honest with you. I've gotten to the point now where If you're going to put a fork on it to smoke it down as low as you can You shouldn't be doing that. I'll be completely honest with you When you get down to that point, you need to stop because the cigar is done There is a point if you're smoking it down and you're just got just a little bit you're hanging on to you're not getting anything out Of it. It's done. Yeah, don't don't ruin the flavor. You've enjoyed the entire time with these just a little bit of puffs

38:30 *Devin * Yeah, i've burnt my cigar. I burnt my mustache many times on the Hemingway, man Yeah, many times. Yeah, I mean what trying to get that last little bit out of it

38:40 Gary Last little bit. I tell you what I don't get a lot of help. All right, and then make sure you guys visit Vitola Find Cigars You can order your cigars and everything that uh, you know that we provide and you can purchase this tatawahe on there as well You know, they do free shipping over fifty dollars Hold their feet to it if they hold their feet to it. Okay Well other than that, this has been a wonderful episode I don't think we have anything left else to to talk about maybe a little bit of

39:11 John Summary of the cigar for today, but uh, that's about it, right john. Yeah, that's that's all we got going I mean, all right trying to keep them a nice simple short episodes anymore

39:22 Gary That's right. Anyway, thank you everybody for listening out there in broadcast world so to speak Thank you

39:30 *Devin * Uh gary, I'm out there in podlandia in podlandia

39:36 Gary That's a good one there john makes me think of my favorite show portlandia Your favorite wine Can't say i've had a lot Yeah Special thanks to our audience out there. Like we said remember to share it around there Gary the gear bear Thank you for your insight your noble wisdom whatever whatever and and john your Tireless efforts to make us sound better than we are And cut out some of the nonsense in the shadow

40:09 *Devin * john, I've got I I have I have like two I have two other producers But you are the best podcast producer in the world you are the best dude

40:20 John Tell a friend That's right Tell a friend tell a friend i've got a couple Spots in my schedule open to produce a few more shows. So there you go

40:31 Gary I have a maximum number of shows I can produce at once load him up. That's right Heck yeah I want to do a selfless plug for the things I do but I don't that may not be inappropriate. So

40:42 John I wish you already plugged your only fans page. So

40:51 Gary You guys think he's joking Get him damn get him get him. We'll see we'll hear you guys and see you guys Well, we won't see any of you because we it's podcast land. So anyway We'll talk to you guys pod landia. I'm sorry podville pod vegas Thank you for listening to smoking underground. We'll see you guys later and remember

41:15 SPEAKER_02 Don't kill anybody and if you do don't tell us about it right on brother. Amen This show was a part of the no driving gloves network produced and edited by john A magic city podcast with voice work by gary conger. So until the next exit That was a weird exit I just thought i'd do it I do that on my uh, my twitch stream